steroids gets you all aggressive.

- & not just on saturday afternoon. (just ask oj simpson et al)

Will these young men ever get it? Just stay out of trouble.

That was my biggest worry after that great win. I know I was in the mood to party so I figured some of the players would also. Hoped they would keep it smart. I guarantee you that the coaches plead with them to keep it under control, but there always seems to be one....

On the same day there is a blog post on the AJ about how Coach Tubbs just reinstated a different player he kicked off the team owing only to an arrest, no charges mind you, just an arrest, (the coaches quoted rationale was everyone must work to clear their own name and be above board, or in other words, guilty until proven innocent) here we have the actual filing of charges by the police and this young man is still scheduled to play?

Oh Tubbs, the thing about saying you have a code of ethics you created for yourself is that you look like a craven and opportunistic slime ball when you don’t follow your own rules. Better hurry up and change this kid to inactive fast: that is, if hypocrite is a label you are trying to avoid.

Even though simple PI is a Class C, you still get a jury if you want and the state has the same burden as if it were a murder case. And with no breath test or blood draw, well that makes it a whole lot easier to argue the LPD was wrong.

And AJ, oh sweet local paper of ours, sweet, simple-minded, bankrupt paper of ours....if a manager was not available for comment, why would you interview someone who said they did not work that night, was not there, and has not heard anything about the fight?

Should you interview me next? I wasn't there either but I'm sure I could give you a quote saying I don't know 'nuthin. Which seems to match what you know about journalism. Oops!

Some older poster from this board that wanted to share his philosophy about how good the football program was before the current team that got his butt whipped.

You're right -- the offense here is a Class C misdemeanor -- the exact same class which includes speeding tickets.

Would you want/expect the same treatment to be given for a fine-only offense such as a Class C misdemeanor to be given the same treatment as a felony offense? I understand your point about an arrest was made here and charges were not formally filed in the Cobb situation, but there is a massive disparity between the serious nature of the two incidents.

I certainly would hope that the Bar wouldn't treat you getting speeding ticket on your way to lunch today the same as an investigation into any felony you may have committed.

It's all part of our downtown revitalization program!

It's amazing how you (and others) will judge a man when the only facts you know about the situation is via the brief news story above. You sir are a hypocrite as well and have no credibility.

Obvious he is a Leacher.

Well, when I was in basic training the Drill SGTs would also say, "There's always one" meaning no matter how much they try to keep everyone in line there is always one who does something dumb and messed it up for the whole platoon. I think that may be the case here. We have to see when all the facts are in, but alot of the time...there's always one. And I agree Eric Q I think to equate the two is like comparing apples to oranges. Rob is just looking for something to criticize. His argument is moot.

Believe it or not, people can have opinions about situations related to Tech and Red Raider athletics without everything boiling down to what happened three years ago between a head football coach and a chancellor.

As much as I like to get him riled up here, Rob S. is a close friend of mine and I can tell you that he doesn't give two cents for the Leach v. Hance thing that some people still can't let go of. He just sees a situation that doesn't add up in his book and feels that they aren't handling the disciplinary situations within the program consistently, fairly, and correctly. I happen to disagree with him, but please don't try to paint everything into corners based on a three-year-old argument.

I don't believe in "Hancers" and "Leachers." I believe in Red Raiders.

It's time for Lubbock's favorite game show...Connect the Invisible Dots" Let's see how the story of a football player being arrested on Broadway and University connects to the downtown project. It takes an awful big leap as usual. I guess hdbg62 is one of those "if I don;t use it, we don't need it" folks. He/she doesn't use downtown so we don't need downtown. Stick to the story/issue at hand...

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU SELL WHISKEY IS THE STREETS!!!!!! COLLEGE STUDENTS WHO COME FOR AN EDUCATION ARE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY THE WHISKEY PEDDLERS AND THE BAR MAIDS. THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF LUBBOCK HAD HELD ON TO HER MORALS AND KEPT WHISKEY OUT OF TOWN!!!!

MORE AND MORE OF THIS WILL HAPPEN. TEXAS TECH KIDS COME HERE FOR A WORLD CLASS EDUCATION. INSTEAD THEY LEAVE WITH BROKEN DREAMS AND HOBBLED SELF ESTEEM.

IT IS NOT TO LATE, WE CAN LET THE CITY OFFICIALS KNOW THAT WE ARE TIRED OF THE DEMON WHISKEY ON OUR STREETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obvious he is another Leacher like Rob S.

The powers to be will get this fixed with the DA just like they do with others cases involving football players at TTU.

LBK,

Demon whiskey in our streets are you kidding me! You are the type person who is so naive to believe if the liquor stores stayed on the strip then there is no demon whiskey on the streets of Lubbock. Take advantage of the students. I believe it is a decision and a choice they make no one is pouring it down their throats. The victim mentality of todays society that it is someone else's fault.

Really? Are you trolling for excitement or just obtuse? Prohibition ended in the 1930's and bars have been around ever since, even in Lubbock. Bars and alcohol were available during Prohibition as well, by the way, just not legally. This man is 22 and capable of making his own decisions, good or bad. Some people love to do things for the simple reason that they are not socially acceptable (or because their parents said not to). You can't change such a mentality; it's been part of our DNA since the beginning of time (Remember that tree Adam and Eve were told to leave alone?) Get over it!

Sounds like a Hancer IMO.

good play on "The Music Man". I guess many readers aren't very literate and don't recognise satire. I still think pool is to blame.

Oh dear, they come out of the wood work, don’t they?

@Wscott: You really should look up the definition of hypocrite because when people use words incorrectly in a sentence their argument tends to be glossed over.

@Frekoid: I am afraid while I have studied debate, logic, rhetoric, and discourse, I have not studied crazy assertions and name calling. So, by your logic, if I have something negative to say about the UN therefore I must be in favor of the League of Nations? Gosh, I better not say anything nice about Coach Dykes otherwise I will be anti-every-other-coach-in-Tech-history! Actually, you remind me of those pre-pubescent girls that are big into those stupid Twilight books. “Team whatever,” LOL.

@Al_in_Alabama: No, the point is not moot merely because I refuse to play the part of the sycophant and make excuses for those in power. If the argument is apples and oranges that means I win the debate because it is a minor thing to be arrested, for any crime, much more so than it is to be charged with one. It all goes to burdens of proof in our legal system and by refusing to acknowledge that fact, there are those now defending a man against himself: Tubbs own words and actions in the past few months, versus what he does now in the present, without one word of renouncement of those principles on his part. Either treat everyone fair or don’t, but if you choose the later man up to it.

Eric’s argument fails when you take into account facts like DWI under 0.15 is only a class B misdemeanor for your first time in Texas. So, willfully and wantonly putting others lives at risk should not be punished because it’s not a felony charge? And the difference is between being, (again I will repeat myself) charged with a crime versus merely being arrested. The study I have linked to at the end of this post cites that roughly 25% to 40% of all American youths will be arrested before the age of 23. It is a common tool of the police now to arrest and not charge, so it is far less an indicator of any wrongdoing than it once was.

QED: Does anyone here remember the man that was arrested on the charge of murdering a police officer, was held in jail for months, and then won MILLIONS of dollars from the city of Lubbock because, as it turns out, they had arrested him and kept him behind bars knowing all along that he was innocent? You do remember that case because that man had caused a swat standoff roughly 15 years ago when he had a domestic disturbance, and a swat officer shot and killed a fellow police officer. The police tactics used in that standoff are now part of instructional courses in Academies all over the country, on what the police should not do. So forgive me if I don’t give the LPD the benefit of the doubt that just because they arrested someone on a serious charge that something serious actually happened.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2011/12/14/peds.2010-3710.abstract

P.S. Let's all have a round, on me! Sorry LBK. ;-)

EDIT:

@Tech Ex: Well it is quite a stretch to say that is nowhere near to what happened but I am never one to shy away from a mistake, so I up vote you sir, indeed, I was mistaken on two very brief issues: the man was in jail days, not months, and he settled for close to a million with the city, not millions. However, those issues are inconsequential to the main crux of my argument, which stands undefeated: just because the police arrest someone does not mean they are guilty and arresting requires much less credibility than actually filing a case. If Tubbs wishes to make sure everyone is above the board, then he must by necessity suspend those charged with a crime if he suspends them on the lesser occasion of mere arrest.

Tech athletes who get into trouble with the law always get preferential treatment from our Lubbock DA and of course the PTB at Tech. It is obvious. Has happened for many years.

SATAN TEMPED EVE TO GO AGAINST GOD AND HER HUSBAND!!!!! ONCE SHE TURNED HER BACK ON GOD, BAD THINGS HAPPENED. LUBBOCK TURNED ITS BACK ON GOD BY ALLOWING WHISKEY TO BE SOLD. NOW WE ARE SEEING THE RESULTS OF GODS PUNISHMENT!!!

Can I get a TL:DR on your last post?

You sound like a guy I could have a beer with.

Universities can be known for their sports or for their research. If a school chooses the former they often wind up with less than stellar achievers that have immoral or unethical behaviors. If colleges chose the later they often struggling with poor performing teams. TTU seems to be leaning in the sports direction far too much these last few years, an idea only reinforced by the monstrosity they call a stadium now. Too many athletes are trading sports uniforms for jail wear. The formerly high standards of TTU seem to have been traded for a market share. Pity. It's hard to find balance, but TTU needs to try harder.

QED: Does anyone here remember the man that was arrested on the charge of murdering a police officer, was held in jail for months, and then won MILLIONS of dollars from the city of Lubbock because, as it turns out, they had arrested him and kept him behind bars knowing all along that he was innocent?

nope - don't remeber that - because that is no where near what happened.

http://lubbockonline.com/stories/123001/loc_1230010059.shtml

I can almost guarantee you he wont play saturday. Tubs is pretty strict with bad conduct so he'll make it known soon.

it was decided yesterday that he would play - also says it above - so unless it changes - he's gonna play

Don Williams ‏ @ AJ_DonWilliams # TexasTech C Deveric Gallington will play Saturday at TCU. Was arrested over weekend for public intoxication/disorderly conduct.

https://twitter.com/AJ_DonWilliams

Own any Batman costumes?

@Frek, I think I had beers with you at Fat Dawgs, maybe not. I think you were looking for batman costumes back in those days as well.

@LBK..I'm beginning to think you were a proprietor of one of the liquor dens on the strip and are just mad about having to shut the shop due to the new laws in Lubbock.

Oh, how I long for the good old days when Tech football was magical under Carlen, because athletes never got in trouble in those days. Alcohol was unavailable to them, despite a drinking age of 18 and the monstrosity known as Jones stadium didn't have any visual impact on the West Texas skyline.

A 22 year old has too much to drink, gets into a shoving match and goes to jail. Disgraceful. Most people have perfect judgement at that age.

If you didn't do at least a few things that could have gotten you arrested when you were that age, I don't know if I'd trust you very much.