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Tech President: Tech would've gone to Pac-12 had three rivals been accepted

Posted: September 21, 2011 - 3:28pm

Texas Tech President Guy Bailey said he would’ve wanted Tech to have been part of any mass move of Big 12 Conference schools to the Pac-12 Conference, but wasn’t surprised when Pac-12 presidents voted against expansion late Tuesday.

Published reports this week indicated there was a chance Tech, Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State could be added to the Pac-12, but Tuesday’s vote nixed the possibility.

“Had our three biggest rivals in the conference gone to the Pac-12, we’d have wanted to go,” Bailey said Wednesday. “The key thing for us, and the reason the Big 12 is a good fit for us is we have three — really four; put Baylor in there, too — very good rivals.

“If we played Texas here or OU or OSU, we’re going to fill the stadium, and we have very long rivalries with those schools. ... We want to be in the same conference with them. That’s our interest, being in the conference with those schools.”

Bailey would not say to what extent Tech might have had conversations with the Pac-12 and what form such talks took, but he indicated Tech would have been part of any move alongside Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.

“If they moved, the Big 12 would have fallen apart, and we would have certainly gone as well,” he said.

One of the apparent sticking points was the Pac-12’s unwillingness to make special accommodations for Texas’ Longhorn Network, the 20-year, $300 million arrangement between UT and ESPN. UT athletic director DeLoss Dodds told media Wednesday in Austin that sharing Longhorn Network revenue is not a consideration.

Though the Longhorn Network has been a source of contention among some Big 12 schools who see it as an unfair advantage, Bailey said he doesn’t blame UT.

“What I’ve told people all along is, if I could have done the Longhorn Network at Texas Tech, I would have done it,” Bailey said. “I would love to have Red Raiders sports in everybody’s home and have the profits from that as well.

“They were doing what was in the best interests of their institution, and that’s what all of us have to do. The thing that caught people off-guard is most people didn’t realize how successful that would be. UT licensed their third-tier rights to ESPN, and most people didn’t realize how aggressive ESPN would be. There was some initial shock over that, but Texas didn’t do anything we wouldn’t have done had we been able to do it, and that’s simply monetize third-tier rights.”

The Big 12 has been in peril for more than a year. After Nebraska and Colorado decided to leave the league in the summer of 2010, the Big 12 seemed on the verge of dissolving when Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott investigated the possibility of adding several schools, including Tech, from the Big 12 South.

The mass exodus west didn’t happen then either, but Texas A&M recently set off another wave of instability when it announced plans to leave the league in 2012.

Bailey said Tech has had to consider its options carefully in the last few weeks and is reluctant to break with the other big instate schools such as Texas.

“We would like very much to be in a conference with Texas — even better in a conference with both Texas and Texas A&M,” Bailey said. “If you simply come to a game with one of those schools, you understand why — it packs the stands. If you have Texas on your schedule, you have a sellout, and you also know there will be some Texas fans who will buy (Texas Tech) season tickets just to be at the Texas game. So it’s very important for us to have that rivalry.”

Bailey said Tech splitting from Texas would be akin to Alabama and Auburn deciding to abandon their bitter rivalry by one leaving the Southeastern Conference.

“They’d have to do a whole lot of thinking before they did anything like that,” he said. “That rivalry is part of what makes football in the state of Alabama so exciting, and we think our rivalry with Texas is part of what makes football in Texas so exciting. Breaking those bonds would really require a lot of thought. You really don’t want to go too far away from your rivals.”

Bailey said he thinks there’s a good chance the league will survive, but recognized there’s “still a lot of work to be done.”

Tech coach Tommy Tuberville, an advocate for keeping the Big 12 together, said after Wednesday’s practice the tide might be turning in that direction.

“I think everybody wants to keep this thing going,” Tuberville said. “There have to be some things happen, and I think we’re getting more talk of that happening than we are this thing splitting up.”

The Oklahoman, using an unnamed source, reported Wednesday that Oklahoma and Oklahoma State informed the Pac-12 early Tuesday they wouldn’t apply for membership. The two schools were actually using the Pac-12 threat as leverage, the Oklahoman reported, while trying to unite other Big 12 members on league reforms. Among those reforms was seeking the removal of Commissioner Dan Beebe, revisiting revenue-sharing issues and seeking five-year commitments from league members.

Bailey would not say whether Tech would support a push for Beebe’s removal, calling it an issue that should be determined in a closed forum.

On Sunday, the Austin American-Statesman and Orangebloods.com, a Rivals.com network affiliate, reported that the Pac-12 was working on final details to bring the four Big 12 teams into their fold. The reports said it wasn’t a done deal.

Bailey said there was never a formal proposal, and he wasn’t surprised when Pac-12 presidents said no to expansion two days later.

“The whole situation is very complicated, but we didn’t expect any expansion to the Pac-12,” he said. “There was never a formal proposal and never really very extensive discussions. I think some preliminary discussions, but nothing ... . What you read about was way ahead of anything that was actually ever happening.”

Bailey said by late Sunday and early Monday it was “clear to me that it wouldn’t happen.”

Asked why, he said, “There was still a great deal of interest at that point in preserving the Big 12. Even though we certainly have some issues to work through and everybody would acknowledge that, there was still a great deal of interest in preserving the Big 12. I was a little surprised at everything in print, because it was way ahead of what any of the institutions were thinking.”


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To summarize

Big 12 fell apart because of UT and is coming back together as a weaker conference because of UT. Teams can't go West because of UT.

Joe

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Tech comment

This is the first comment from Bailey for quite a while. I assume Hance wound him up and gave him the script to read.

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"We LOVE being UT's man servant!"

Given a chance to work with OU to put some pressure on UT to quit demanding special treatment or go to a conference where all four teams could earn around 35 mil next year instead of just Texas (through its Big 12 tv payout and LHN payout) we sat idly by, supported with our silence UT's unequal revenue sharing and wound up just where we started - as UT's willing second class partner.

Who do you think ESPN gave Texas all that money to compete against? Stephen F Austin? Hardly, it got that only because they are in one of the top football conferences that EVERYONE in that conference contribute to.

Hearing our president abidicate to perpetual second class income sharing with UT (ewh, we'd have done the SAME thing!) is simply nauseating.

At least A&M had leadership that had enough pride to not happily relegate their program to shining UT's boots in perpetuity.

Yes Massah, that's what we'd do too! No sir, Massah, we didn't help that nasty ol OU to help get your profits split with all your partners, no sir, Massah. We was good boys, Massah. Please don't leave us Massah!! :(

Gag.

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double post

there was service interruption.

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I heard the SEC and PAC does

I heard the SEC and PAC does not TTU. Not big media market and poor academics. "one step above a JUCO". The media part I understand. The academic part....seems like a good school. Graduates function well as several work for me.

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For you Feaco and the other negative folks

Proverbs 22:10 Drive out the scoffer (i.e Feaco), and contention will go out; yes, strife and abuse will cease.

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Keyhole

Keyhole, speaking words like that no doubt you are in mediocrity and a failure yourself as you go around speaking evil about others.

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@keyhole

What the hell was that post all about. That was the most convoluted mish mash of words that I've ever read. Have no idea what you were trying to say. Maybe you can repost when the drugs wear off.

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Big 12

The first post said it best. UT is the problem. UT needs to form its own one team conference and be happy with its TV network. Number one in every category that way. The Pac 12 didn't want the drama, enough there already.

TTU is where it needs to be, not too big for its britches but big enough to make a difference. I still contend that an all Texas conference could survive, but the naysayers say no. That's what the old SWC was after Arkansas left. Lot's of pro players from that conference down through the years.

It's all about the money, bottom line, and the "powers that be" care only about that aspect of it, not what the supporters and fans care about.

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What is Good for the Goose

It is interesting that now when the cat is out of the bag, TTU leadership has diarreha of the mouth and mind. All post except of a couple of drug enduced rants are on point. Houston we have a problem, the state of Texas political powers are allowing Texas University to dictate sports rules and policies to all the Texas programs and our brother/sister programs of the Big-12. The answer is simple, all of the universities in the Big-12 except Texas needs to establish a second tier contract with all the local cable channels in each state throuh fox to only air their sporting games on those channels. Inform Texas (espn) that they will negotiate with these agencies if LHN wants to carry a game in which the other schools are invovled. At the same time inform Texas that they are not authorized to market or air any sporting contests in markets where tier-2 agreements are in place. In this situation Texas will only be allowed to air/negotiate games that are home games on the Texas University sporting schedule.

Maybe now, Mike Leach is somewhat vendicated on some comments and information that was released after the fact of his so called "for cause firing", due to TTUS leaders being power hungry idiots. I also had the misfortune of sitting through the long weather delay at UNM game to realize that in the current team state TTU will struggle to reach 6-6. Be honest and go ahead and plan your holiday vacations but do not include bowl game locations or invites as a christmas wish

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Time to call the SEC

Now that the cards are on the table, we can look at the root of the problem. UT believes it does not have to abide by the same rules as every other University in the country by sharing revenue equally as a conference member. They want to be independent, but are afraid to.

It is time for Texas Tech to call the SEC about membership. They already have one of our rivals joining next year.

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Running for Big-12 Commissioner

Hello everyone this is my 1st political announcement that I will take the Big-12 commissioner position for 1/2 the money and fix all of our problems within 90 days, and make OU a happy partner. It is painfully obvious that the SEC and ACC will slow role selection of schools from the Big-12 and Big-East to gain market share and 16-team status. Once this happens said new SEC/ACC conferences will lobby for a playoff system where the SEC-16, ACC-16 control its existence and rules. Not to mention some of the largest sports markets in the USA, and automatically have 32 of the possible 64 teams eligible for the playoff ($$$ envolved).

As Big-12 commissioner I would chase and sale BYU, Boise State, and the remaining Big-East schools to beat all of the other power hungry conferences and commisioners to the punch. The new Big-16 would have a stangle hold on all of the large market areas and a majority of gold nugget sports programs in these old conferences, who love to travel to support their team. When this is agreed, I would go to UT and inform them the LHN will renegotiate their contract, have equal share like the partner 15 schools and we would go out and sign a 10 year contract as the new Big-16 for 3-5 billion $$$ (equal share), we want to build our conference partner's sports programs to grow our product. Bye, Bye LHN (espn), if UT does not agree they may leave, become independent and we bring Notre Dame in the mix and offer them a similar deal with the understanding that each team on their sports schedule receive a pro-rated payment for allowing ND the opportunity to be a part of the NBC sports showcase, and air sporting events. The rate will be based on viewing audience and game attendance. If ND v BYU draws 50 million viewers and ND receives $3 million then BYU is paid $1 million for giving ND the viewing rights (NBC), this money for participation. This money is not required to be shared with conference partners. All Big-16 schools get same offer when negotiating with ND, said school can pay a fair market value to ND (NBC) to show game in non-ND school's viewing market if so desired.

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Bailey

Does Bailey work for Texas Tech or UT?

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Bailey comments re longhorn network

Bailey said “What I’ve told people all along is, if I could have done the Longhorn Network at Texas Tech, I would have done it,” Bailey said. “I would love to have Red Raiders sports in everybody’s home and have the profits from that as well.

I don't want a longhorn Network at Tech - I want a Red Raider Network....slip of the tongue?

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Karma

Would love to see Tech, OU and OSU be invited to the SEC and leave Texas out. Won't happen, but would love to see it.

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Tech and Texas are great

Tech and Texas are great rivals.... always have been. The rivalry was one of the mainstays of the old Southwest Conference, and has become even more of a famous rivalry in the Big 12.

Rivalries of this type are the "stuff of legends," and such rivalries can last for centuries - just look at the Northeastern Ivy League schools, Harvard, Yale, whatever [I'm not that up on THOSE schools]...

Having said that.

A simple all-in hatred for a rival really kills the rivalry - a HATRED for UT, and hoping it will just go away,... well, what kind of rivalry would there be then...

That kind of thinking is just resentment, revenge... it's petty, self-defeating.

Fact is, yes, UT has had a hand in causing all this.

But we ARE IN TEXAS. UT is NOT going to go away. It will ALWAYS be the number one school in the state, as long as there IS a state of TExas...

The drama in Tech's rivalry with UT is that Tech has consistently COME UP, closer and closer, to UT, all through the years, a steady, slow rise... in athletics sometimes Tech has a parity at least in viability of the teams,.. and in academics Tech has come a long way and is still going to rise a long way.

That makes the rivalry exciting.

But Tech is not going to replace UT, NOT EVER, any more than the state of Texas is going to move its capital city to Lubbock.

So let the Aggies go off some where else, maybe a better league, but NOT A TEXAS LEAGUE... let them go off somewhere else, and Texans, except for just aggies alone... Texans can forget them.

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Fire Hance et al

We need these folks OUT of Texas Tech at this critical time. They are simply awful. I don't want them fired because of Leach or because of the fact UT is the big dog in the conference. But they should be fired because of what they have done, have not done and will do that is all to our long term detriment.

Essentially, Bailey is saying here, presumably supported by Hance, that it is a dog eat dog world and if you can get over on the next guy, so be it. You don't hear this message from most every other school. It certainly not the message you get from the Hance chapel if you bother to read and pay attention. We're not supporting socialism in conferences and among members of conferences if we simply stand up and say to UT: NO! Your success is inclusive, not exclusive. You make your big bucks, not alone, but together.

Rising tides lift all boats....that sort of thing. The message of individual greed at the expense of everything else, whether monetary or cultural, is contrary to our values. For some reason, the Midwest schools have that clearly grounded in their wiring. Only a lobbyist/politician like Hance and Mr. South Beach Slickster have their wires crossed.

FIRE these people and do the right thing! Tell Texas to go independent and support at every turn any combination of members that are on the same page in telling UT to either reign in the ego and greed, or get the heck out!

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questions

I read where Bailey, said Tech could have had a network also.?? Why didnt we? Texas signed a deal with with ESPN for 20 million, that they wont share . Now that the Pac 12 and probably others dont want them, Texas now wants to share revenue.?? Nebraska said it will have twice the Tv revenue this year compared to last year being in the Big 10? Something is really rotten in Denmark and its not fish.

First of all you have to ask why ESPN would have Texas sign a deal with them,purposely leaving out revenue for the other members, knowing it would cause a host of problems and Texas knowing full well it would?

Secondly, if Texas can have a network, why cant Tech? Texas Tech football is extremely popular and more exciting than boring old Texas football.

Thirdly, Texas Tech has enough following, enough supporters, that it could go independent, start its own network , play the other teams that left the Big 12, the Aggies , Nebraska, Colorado and others who have large stadiums, we already have a link with ESPN, concerning the Leach firing, shouldnt be too much of a problem getting them and ABC ,aka ESPN, to televise Techs games. WE dont need Texas .

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@floatlander

I am afraid that your high opinion of Tech's popularity is more in your mind than in fact. I am not dissing your idea, but I do not think it will fly and there are not enough Tech supporters to make it work.

Through gross mismanagement, Hance and his crew have missed every opportunity to do something about this. Unfortunately, Hance further divided the fans with his Leach maneuvers and many people, myself included, would not pay now to see a mdeiocre team play Division II schools.

At this point in Tech's life, they have become a follower and there are very few options left.

Maybe this is a sign that Tech (and all colleges) need to get back to the basics of educating students and not being a sports media event. If Tech spent the money on education that they spend on the football program, they could lower the cost of an education for the students.

It used to be that Saturday was a fun time in Lubbock when the local fans came out and watched a football game. Now it is organized marketing. No longer is it the only game in town, depending on what you subscribe to, you can get 10 or even 20 football games on any Saturday. Tech cannot compete against that.

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What has been lost?

Imagine Leach still here, with no player mutiny in 2009, no hate among the Admin, Leach and divided fans. Where would be in 2011, right now, with all of this going on? Imagine a world where Hance supported Leach and Texas Tech was a complete sentence, all its own. Our media contracts and approach could have been as progressive as our offense. A&M going to SEC....well that is A&M. UT being a blowhard institution of monumental proportion, well that is UT. Instead of Texas Tech having it own, unique and well-earned identity in these times, we are relegated to puppet-and-follow status exhibited by Hance and ESPNers like Craig James.

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@lodotx

You ar correct and there are many people that share your opinion. Unfortunately, there are many people wearing blinders that would argue with you or me.

No matter which way you feel, the bottom line is that Hance has screwed Tech again and we are out in the cold.

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Texas

Either have Texas go independent or Texas Tech go independent. WE could have gone to the Pac 12 last year but missed the opportunity and Tubbs was muzzled after saying he thought it was a good idea. this whole thing stinks to high heaven if you look at it in regards to my last post. Seems like we are tyed down to whatever Texas does and dont have a choice??

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Texas

Either have Texas go independent or Texas Tech go independent. WE could have gone to the Pac 12 last year but missed the opportunity and Tubbs was muzzled after saying he thought it was a good idea. this whole thing stinks to high heaven if you look at it in regards to my last post. Seems like we are tyed down to whatever Texas does and dont have a choice??

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Bailey Speaks?

Whew! I feel so much better now knowing that Tech would have gone to the PAC23 had UT, OU, Ok St. gone. Tech fans, you want leadership, there it is. You wait to see what everybody else does, then follow them. That's what I'm talking about.

And somebody above said Hance had to give Bailey the script to read, you're wrong. GB had to wait until Deloss Dodds gave him the script.

I am now of the opinion that Hance and Bailey do nothing without first contacting Dodds to see what they're suppose to do. A&M did it for 150 years and have finally had enough.

Nebraska and Colorado took for a few years until they had had enough.

Now it appears OU and OK State have had enough.

And Missouri is begging to get out.

Tech? Officially we don't know since they haven't said anything and apparently won't until Board of Regents meets...next month.

I guess that'll give Hance and Bailey time to consult with Deloss to see what their marching orders are.

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