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Raiders back in limbo at quarterback after Mayfield replaces Webb

Kingsbury unsure of starter going forward

Posted: November 9, 2013 - 6:20pm
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Texas Tech’s game-day souvenir program Saturday had Graham Harrell on the front cover with a feature story inside on the school’s all-time leading passer.

Oh, what Tech coach Kliff Kingsbury wouldn’t give right now for a quarterback with 38 career starts and all the experience that comes with it.

Tech’s current quarterback situation, which seemed settled early with Baker Mayfield’s good start and settled at midseason with Davis Webb’s development, is back to being unsettled. In the second quarter Saturday, Kingsbury went back to Mayfield for the first time in five weeks and got mixed results in a 49-26 home loss to Kansas State.

“Not great,” Kingsbury said of the two freshmen. “But they’re young guys, and we needed to score a bunch, obviously, to keep up. We got behind and we once again got off of our plan and didn’t execute the way we should have. I just thought we needed a little spark. Baker got in there, moved around and did some good things, but we’ll have to watch the film and really evaluate it.”

Kingsbury’s been decisive in naming one or the other the starter several times since midseason. This time, he deferred going forward until he can see the tape and talk with the offensive staff.

Webb started the day steering the offense 69 yards in 14 plays to a field goal, then 75 yards in 15 plays before a touchdown pass to Eric Ward.

On the first series, Webb completed six of his first seven passes and then, with Tech having second-and-goal from the 6, twice threw incomplete for Eric Ward. After the TD pass to Ward, Tech went three-and-out on the next two series, ending the second with Webb badly overthrowing Bradley Marquez. That was his last pass of the day.

Mayfield entered for the first time since Oct. 5. The freshman from Lake Travis left the Kansas game that day with a knee injury, though he was cleared to play again not long after.

“I just thought we may need a spark, with protection as well,” Kingsbury said. “I think Baker moved around a little bit better and did some things. So it was just a feel decision.”

Mayfield played the last eight series, showing the traits that made him good enough to start the first five games and second choice for the last few weeks. He completed 34 of 44 passes for 276 yards. He also lost a fumble at his own 32-yard line and threw an interception with Kansas State turning both into touchdowns.

He ran for 50 yards, but also took four sacks that stripped 29 yards off that total. Webb took one sack and safely threw away some passes when he couldn’t find an open receiver.

Mayfield’s fumble was his fifth this season, though the Red Raiders had recovered the first four. Kingsbury was asked if the ball-security issues were a reason he’d been reluctant to play Mayfield the last few weeks.

“No, Davis was playing well,” Kingsbury said. “He won a couple of big games. Like I said, the whole situation with true freshmen, it’s a learning experience for all of them. We have two that can play, so if one’s not playing great, we’re not afraid to put the other one in.”

Webb, in his four series, went 13 of 20 for 78 yards.

Fifth-year senior Eric Ward caught 11 passes for 107 yards. It’s the fifth time in the last six games he’s had at least seven receptions and the third time in the last six he’s been over 100 yards. During the up and down quarterback play this season, Ward has stood behind both freshmen.

“I’m sure they’ll get better at it as time goes on, learning from our mistakes and moving on,” Ward said. “But I only have two regular-season games left as a Red Raider, and I hope we can fix that before I play my final game as a Red Raider.

“I just think we’ve got to go out there and execute. We can’t turn the ball over. That’s the main thing that kills us as a team is turning the ball over. We need every possession we have to put points on the board.”

 

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Brewer

Bring Brewer back....he is your future! A proven winner with legs to boot.

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Where are all the Mayfield fans?

I am not ragging on the kid he did well, he fought just like Webb has all year. It seems that all of the know it all's thought Tech would just absolutely win with no doubt when Mayfield is in. We just have no depth on the defensive side. These team is young and very immature. I didn't like seeing Amaro throw a hissy when the boss told him he wasn't coming back in. I understand you want to compete but you are close to 30 points down. It's all about him. It has been all year, with the awards list and everything. It's all adding up and he need's to be a better leader. He may be gone, so it may not matter. All I am saying is that he is immature, and this young team doesn't need his terrible leadership.

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Brewer proven winner

will both as qbs go mayfield had almost better numbers with almost half year less play time. As for TDs mayfield had 67 tds and 8 int as a starter in high school with a % of 644

while brewer in 2 years had 69 td and 19 int %659

both started for undefeated teams as for running they are equal but for mayfields injured year

as for in college 48 passes is not a career make. So there is no way to tell who will be better but for 1 both would be better than webb

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lol

I would take mayfield over webb any day and twice on sunday. Webb is very one dimensional. Good vs the worst pass def in big 12 and worst team in big 12 if you can call passing for 400+ yards and only getting in in zone 2 times a game. As you seen in last 3 games the def just sit and wait for short pass or run. This was done because that has always been webbs game. Mayfield in time has the chance to develope because he has the natural tools something Webb will never have. But coming in a game like that cold and with a lost offensive line mayfield did 100x better than webb. As for leadership we need it but with the end all players coach we wont get it form the HC. Is fighting what I saw from webb it look more like rush coming pass 3-5 yards so not to get sacked.

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Brewer or Mayfield

I felt like Mayfield should have come back as soon as he was healthy. Both Freshman look like will make simular mistakes but Mayfield is a better with his legs. Also, Why not give Brewer a chance Coach K keeps talking about how these guys are young and make mistakes, is Brewer that bad that he can't play better than two true Freshman? They all played simular offenses, why not? You need someone to really step it up at that position. You've already seen what the other two give you come game time. You are either going to be 8-4 or 7-5 and it's good to see what Brewer gives you in a real game. There are no BCS or Big XII championship at stake just bowl A or bowl B. If he stinks up the place just pull him too but, at least you see what he can do in a real game.

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Brewer or Mayfield

I felt like Mayfield should have come back as soon as he was healthy. Both Freshman look like will make simular mistakes but Mayfield is a better with his legs. Also, Why not give Brewer a chance Coach K keeps talking about how these guys are young and make mistakes, is Brewer that bad that he can't play better than two true Freshman? They all played simular offenses, why not? You need someone to really step it up at that position. You've already seen what the other two give you come game time. You are either going to be 8-4 or 7-5 and it's good to see what Brewer gives you in a real game. There are no BCS or Big XII championship at stake just bowl A or bowl B. If he stinks up the place just pull him too but, at least you see what he can do in a real game.

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Al in Alabama

i think they might be trying to go with medical redshirt. he might not make a return back injuries can take for ever to get over

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Webb

Webb is much like Steven Sheffield without the speed, agility and arm. His arm might get better but he will always be a slow immobile target in the pocket

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Brewer

I'm on the Brewer bandwagon and have been for awhile, but I just think there is more to the story with him than we are hearing, otherwise I feel like he would have been in there by now. He may simply not be in playing shape, I don't know.

Say dw440206, I laughed when I read this comment: "Mayfield in time has the chance to develope because he has the natural tools something Webb will never have." There is at least one ex-NFL, Super Bowl winning QB who might disagree with you. FYI, Webb was an Elite 11 QB. BTW, you need to work on three things: your research ability, your grammar and your spelling. Maybe they haven't covered the last two in Middle School yet. My bad.

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RedRaider76

Being a back up to a back up makes you qualified to be a coach. Oh yea he went to a QB camp makes him good sure does it helped him alot was rank 20 at PP and went down to 27. But passing in a camp is sure sign of greatness . Now lets expand you knowledge espn ranking dont have him making the cut for top 300 as a PP-qb is only an 80 which is the bottom of outstanding. scout has webb at 37 and mayfield after being injured at 39. I am sure you know rating means nothing but athletic ability and potential at that time. so 39 is damn good for a qb with a hurt knee.

So if all you look at is rating yep webb only beat a hurt mayfield by 2 ranks

So lets see how they compared in high school qb as player not as what their potential at a certain time. But how they playedMayfield ranking in texas 64 and national 460 based on his results. Not what he might do but what he did do. Webb 105 in the state and 882 national. So if mayfield was not hurt his ranking would have been much higher than webbs

But all that matters is you saw him on a espn camp that makes him good.

As for this game Mayfield did better than what webb could ever do. The mayfield scrambles would have all been sacks. How many hurt players and int would webb have caused with his 3-5 yard passing game. Just his completion rate is better than what webb has ever had

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RedRaider76

I finally understand you. It is all about fame and nothing else counts. Ask to name 1 coach with 3 years of experience that have rebuilt a team. Ask why webb is good and you come back with a qb with a super bowl ring thinks he is and he was on a tv show. Ask to provide proof that kliff will be a good recruiter and you say energy and what he has done(when in fact it is what he has not done that will keep him from recruiting good players). no matter what the facts say. When faced with facts that kliff is a poor recruiter you come up with techs never really had any 4 star athletes and kliff can just find 3 stars that are just under rated. Again no proof or reason its just Hope and change

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Brewer

could be the guy? i liked him when i watched his film but can you say he will be any better. With a OL in so much trouble how would any qb do. If there is a chance to place him as a medical red shirt i would. There looks like there is no help coming to the OL or DL any time soon unless one of the JCs who have us ranked as their 15+ schools picks tech.

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Stop Calling for Brewer.

Brewer is NOT healthy. For all of you calling for Brewer, he is injured and would not finish a game alive if he were to play. Webb has a great arm, yes. I believe that Baker is our man, however. He has the moxie, the "it" factor, and is a duel threat. Please, Kliff, stick with #6!!!

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stats

stats have Tech as a top 10 offensive team in yards, BUT NOT SCORES.

because of the turnovers.

that's a shame that could be fixed, i think.

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Webb has a great arm

when losing webb has a completion rate 54% with 44 passes 15+yds 17 completions +25 yrds 7 comp in bottem 3 QBs in the big 12

in third downs % with 7-10 yards to go with 27 times this year he has he has passed for the 1st down 10 times 37 % the 98 worse qb at third down conversions of 7-10 yards with 4 attempts of a pass 15+ with 3 completions

lossing by 1-7 points webb is the 77 in nation QB lossing by 8- 14 is at 44 in nation lossing by 15+ is at 45 in nation

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mayfield

Mayfield is more athletic than Webb, makes quicker decisions and can extend plays with his legs. Webb has done a great job but is not as athletic as Mayfield. Both of these quarterbacks are true freshmen,and will take time for them to mature. The defense is beat up and as Ward said , we make too many mistakes and turning the ball over . WE as FANS are going to have to be patient with Kliff and his coaching staff, Fans cant be headed for the gate early. WE are going to have to support this team and coach. Either your a fan or your not. This team has never given up as far as I can see no matter what the score was, like IVE SEEN PAST TEAMS DO. IT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME TO BUILD THIS TEAM AND PROGRAM UP.

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Mayfield

I give Webb credit, but sometimes I cannot believe that he wasn't pulled from the game...not that I would do any better but sometimes he looks like a scared lamb out there. At least Mayfield has some legs and balls. As far as KK goes, you guys have got to give him a little time. We gave Tuber 3 years and there was ZERO excitement at those games.

At least this season we are mixing up SOME of the play calling and the team is not giving up. That OK ST game would have easily been 60+ against Tuber's team.

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dw440206

"But all that matters is you saw him on a espn camp that makes him good."

That's not what I said Einstein, but thanks for playing, and thanks for the long winded rant as well. It was entertaining. Just think, I warranted not one, but two posts from you. I'm honored. BTW, I've added something else to the list of things that you need to work on, reading comprehension.

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