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OU's victory could help Texas Tech get to San Diego

Holiday, Texas bowls remain in play for Red Raiders

Posted: December 7, 2013 - 6:39pm  |  Updated: December 8, 2013 - 1:23am
Texas Tech's Kliff Kingsbury pulls his team over for a timeout during their game on Thursday in Austin. (Stephen Spillman/AJ Media)  Stephen Spillman/AJ Media
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Texas Tech's Kliff Kingsbury pulls his team over for a timeout during their game on Thursday in Austin. (Stephen Spillman/AJ Media)
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By beating Oklahoma State on Saturday afternoon, Oklahoma played its way into consideration for a BCS bowl berth. In doing so, the Sooners gave Texas Tech a better shot at a trip to San Diego.

Most bowl invitations will be extended on Sunday, and the scenarios for Texas Tech are these: If one Big 12 Conference team makes the BCS, a return trip to the Texas Bowl in Houston seems in store for the Red Raiders. If a second Big 12 team gets an at-large BCS bid, the Red Raiders could land in the Holiday Bowl.

Even a Holiday Bowl official confirmed that.

“I’d be surprised if we didn’t get Texas Tech in that situation,” Holiday Bowl associate executive director Mark Neville said Saturday. “We like offense, so we’d be very happy with the Red Raiders.”

Neville made the comment after Oklahoma beat Oklahoma State 33-24 Saturday in a regular-season finale. Late Saturday, BCS expert Jerry Palm on CBSSports.com projected an Oklahoma-Alabama Sugar Bowl, the Sooners via an at-large BCS bid.

The Sugar Bowl could have a choice of three 10-2 teams: No. 18 Oklahoma, No. 12 Oregon or No. 13 Clemson.

“Right now, we have it narrowed down to Kansas State or Texas Tech,” Neville said, “and it really depends on who is taken before us. With Northern Illinois losing (Friday) night, which conference is going to get two teams up? Is it going to be the Big 12? Is it going to be the Pac-12? So we kind of have to wait on that.

“I agree that Texas Tech would likely be the team (for the Holiday Bowl) if two teams from the Big 12 go up.”

The Big 12’s order of selection after the BCS goes Cotton, Alamo, Buffalo Wild Wings, Holiday, Texas and Pinstripe bowls. The league doesn’t have enough bowl-eligible teams to supply one for the Pinstripe Bowl.

Tech had higher aspirations after a 7-0 start, but lost its last five games to finish the regular season 7-5.

Tech has played in the Holiday Bowl only once, beating California 45-31 to end the 2004 season.

“We’d love Texas Tech,” Neville said. “It’s been a long time. The last time we had Texas Tech was almost a decade ago. We had a great experience with all the Red Raiders fans out in San Diego, and we’ve love to see them back again.”

Whereas the Holiday Bowl has to wait for the Big 12 options to be picked over, it picks behind only the BCS and the Alamo Bowl on the Pac-12 side. That means if the Red Raiders do wind up in San Diego, they could face a ranked opponent — most likely No. 11 Arizona State or No. 12 Oregon. Arizona State is 10-3 after its 38-14 loss Saturday to No. 7 Stanford in the Pac-12 championship game. Oregon is 10-2.

The Holiday Bowl is scheduled for 9:15 p.m. CST Dec. 30. If that doesn’t materialize for Tech, the Red Raiders likely will be in the Texas Bowl, which kicks off at 5 p.m. Dec. 27 at Reliant Stadium in Houston.

Several bowl projections have had the game being a rematch between Tech and Minnesota (8-4), which would be the third bowl game in eight years between the two teams. Tech beat Minnesota 44-41 in overtime at the 2006 Insight Bowl and beat the Golden Gophers 34-31 last year on a final-play field goal.

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Thank you Kent Hance

For signing Art Briles and giving us our first Big 12 championship.

Uh, forgot, we were too cheap to sign Art Briles.

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The issue

Was in running Leach out of town, not in failing to hire Briles. Back in 2008, we were on top of the big 12. Baylor could, should have been us. Tech football has been on pause for three years. Time to start the climb back to the top. Congrats to Baylor on a great season.

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@raiderpower3234

I think Art Briles was too smart to come to Tech even if he had been offered a good salary. He saw what chancellor kent (failed republican politician and lobbyist) did to Leach.

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Sad posts

More sad posts from the same, sad posters. 3 years of agendas and counting. Where will your agenda be in 10 years??? Probably the same.

I am on board with Kliff. Not Art. Not Leach. Wreck 'em!

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@stanley

Many of us are supporters of Kliff, but that does not make what hanse did right. And, 10 years from now when Hance's dump in Andrews is leaching chemicals into the ground, that will not be right either.

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From watching all the games today

It is clear we are smaller, slower and look like a 6A team next to MSU, Ohio State, BoyLor, Texas, OU, XSU, Misery, Auburn and so on and so on and so on

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I Think

We should have gone for Art. People will work cheaper here because of the protection offered by Judge Head.

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@mow

Good one.

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You all must be out of your

You all must be out of your minds. You really think Briles would take tech to a big 12 championship in his first year. He would have been great here at Tech obviously but I certainly wouldn't trade kliff for anybody. I can't wait for kent to retire so all you old hermits will shut up about him and leach

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I hope it's the Houston Bowl......

This would help us recruit the Houston area......and while not meaning to put down our team or coaches, do we really want to face an Arizona State or an Oregon (yikes) with our defense?

What is, is as the saying goes. We are too small and slow right now and that won't change in a few weeks. If we have Brewer, we'll score points for sure but unfortunately we won't be able to stop either of these Pac 12 schools consistently. We lack depth and only recruiting can solve that one.

Our lack of size and speed was so apparent after watching yesterday's marathon on TV. We are several years away from being competitive with the others. At least one of the causes of this problem got his clock cleaned the other night and he won't win a championship, like he continually mouthed about when he was on our campus.

If we play in the Holiday Bowl, I'll watch and wish our team/coaches the best like always. And, we finished 4th in the Big 12 instead of 7th......I'm sure some of you out there think "so what big deal" but I think that is a positive going forward.

One thing about this year's team, they never quit. They are "gamers" and I have all the respect in the world for those 5th year kids who have put up with all kinds of nonsense in their years at Tech......they are winners in every sense of the word.

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Forget Art

Wish Art the best--he deserves it. But we have a first class coach and staff in place. Consider the great year we have had:

1. Tuberville gone. 2. Curry gone. 3. Hance says he's gone. (Is it the truth?) 4. Opening winning streak restored the fan base.

Without KK, A&M became a 4-loss squad. When they lose the boy wonder there will be an adjustment to say the least. Proof positive of our coach.

Tubby and Candi are pure winners--and they're on campus.

I see a bright future for our program and consider me "bought in."

Merry Christmas and Go Tech!

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@factsrfacts

You are correct. We have a good coach who had a very respectable first season and who should do nothing but get better.

This idea that some of the fans have that we should be national champions is ridiculous. It goes along with the hire of that idiot Bobby Knight. Nobody wanted him, but Tech thought they could buy a national championship by hiring that jerk. Then they got suckered into his son. In that case they got what they deserved.

The same thing happened in football when Hance hired Tuberville.

We have a good foundation. Now, let's support Kliff and build on it and be patient.

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Those grand stand

QBs most likely never played a down in their lives. Go back to your little league soccer games and quit trying to figure out something you have no clue about. GUNS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Move on already

Enough with the Leach whining. Tubs is gone. Kliff is here. Let's hope next season is an improvement for the young coach. Whatever bowl game it is, wreck 'em! Guns up!

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Understanding and objective

Glad to see all those who posted negatively about the coach and staff the last three years are so understanding and objective. Considering we lost 5 in row, and have another losing record in the Big XII, in a year where the conference is considered to be in a "down" year. Of course I know all the excuses that will be given about the QB's, injuries, etc.. I would agree with most of those excuses mainly because I try to be objective no matter which coach or staff are in place. Go Tech!!

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@sraider, @al

You're referring to '13? We finished 6th in conf, not 4th. One close loss (OU) and 2 close wins (WVU and TCU).

I do not seeing us pass anybody in '14, but TCU will be better.

Of all the teams that use TX as a primary recruiting base, I would place the 13 TTU team behind Bay, UT, TAMU, Rice, UofH, OU, OSU. That is a LONG list.

Very slowly, opinions are changing. In 5 more years, we'll all agree that Leach's record is "as good as it gets" at TTU, fully dispensed of silly notions re championships.

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Wait wait wait

You think RICE is ahead of us in recruiting?

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@c1992

I don't follow Rice recruiting. But they recruit TX and they (subjectively) have a better team than us this year. 10-3, won their conf.

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Time for the naysayers to shut up

We are heading to a great bowl game. I hope we can win this one for Coach Jess Stiles. He was a gung ho Tech guy, win or lose. God rest his lovely soul and let the naysayers kiss my ...

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Gunzsidewayz

You forgot to mention that we also beat Kansas.....

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@sraider

Don't understand your point. KU's players are not primarily from TX, unlike the other teams on my list.

As for KU, we beat them, sure ... so did 8 other conference teams ... and Rice.

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@RRFL

YoU can't change facts. Leach won nearly 2/3 of conf games. We were ranked at YE in 5 of last 6 years. Since then, we've had losing conf records every year. This year we were 4-5 despite only 1 close loss (OU) and 3 close wins ( ISU, WVU, TCU).

I don't love Leach, but I damn sure loved being ranked nearly every year for 6 years. We MATTERED. We sure don't now.

I just refuse to write revisionist history abt Leach. A former TTU DB coach, Parcells, famously said, "You are what your record says you are." With Leach, we were good-to-very good. With Tubs/KK, we've been average- to-poor, bottom half of conference.

You think better days are coming? I hope so, but am not optimistic. We will NEVER be a top 25 program as consistently as we were under Leach.

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Hasn't the Big12 changed since Leach?

Yeah and 5 of those years Tech was 3-4 or 4-4. You are comparing a guy who was here for 10 years to a New Coach. No one was expecting Tech to win this many games this year. Yeah it sucked watching Tech football at the back half of the year, but that's what growing pains feel like. Just because it was somewhat similar to the ex-coach (who was here for 3 years) doesn't mean that it is going to continue.

Oh yeah you are right, Leach also had an extra patsy on the schedule instead of playing an extra Big12 game. I guess Leach never won a close game against someone that he was supposed to beat the piss out of.

I just don't understand what you expect out of Kingsbury when Tuberville did nothing to stop the bleeding here.

The problem is that most of you are impatient. Yeah you loved Leach, it bleeds out during your rants. Its no different than we he was gone and Tech won the bowl game. Baron Batch came out and blasted the fanbase for supporting the coach more than the team during the bowl game. After that the trolls took to this website to criticize Batch for speaking his mind. These are the fans that we have the pleasure of dealing with. We won the conference (shared) one year out of ten. Yeah I guess you will take a ranking instead of promise for the future? I'd rather have a ranking too than a promising Bowl game or something that actually matters.

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Tech could have one the

Tech could have one the national championship game and gone undefeated and people would still be negitive about ttu football. Fact is just about everything about this season was better than all three of tubbervilles seasons. Didnt lose to Iowa state and got into a significantly better bowl than the Texas bowl and zombie cotton bowl.

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Leach

Played TAMU, NEB, MIZZ. And, to be fair, CO.

Leach had 1 losing conf record, his first year. If he had TTU ranked at YE despite the fact that TTU was only ~ 4-4 in conf, then that tells you the conf was better. We are 4-5, closer to worse than better (3-1 in close games), and the conf only has 2 ranked teams.

I'll quit talking abt Leach when someone else at least matches what he did - year end ranking 5 of last 6 years. I don't blame KK, but the whole point if the anti-Leacgers was "he never won anything." Four years out, we've moved significantly backwards, with no EVIDENCE of improvement, just EVIDENCE of a major decline. Leach sure never lost 5 straight conf games by 103 points.

Meantime, I'll attend the Hol Bowl and root like crazy for TTU, while anticipating another loss.

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Leach also spent every single

Leach also spent every single off season trying to find a different job instead of recruiting like he should have. We had one good season and even then we got stomped by OU. So far kingsbury has had his team always ready to play each game and the players will fight to the death for Kliff. We are not doubting that the tuberville era was bad because it was. We underachieved in every possible way except recruiting so almost like a mini lane kiffin situation. We lost games we should have won by 20 and and barely won against cupcakes. Tubbervilles time here was the most miserable time to be a red raider fan. That said, you absolutely can not put this year in the same catigory as the last three seasons. This year we saw great improvment from those years combined and finished better than those years too. If you want to make a leach comparison then compare leaches first year to this year. Seven wins with a losing conference record. The difference is this year we are at the holiday bowl and not the papa johns.com bowl which leach lost by the way. And didn't leach lose to north Texas that year too or am I thinking of a different year. Either way nothing good is built from negativity. If you truly call yourself a red raider then let's ride together. I for one am excited for the future and see a national championship added to the east side of jones stadium

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Well I do know that Leach

Well I do know that Leach wasn't perfect. He was only concerned about offense, and we paid for it dearly most of the time in the butt whoopings that OU and UT gave us on more than one occasion.

There is one person that most people want to overlook during Leach's time; Ruffin McNeil. He was one of the best defensive coaches to ever come to Tech. Everyone wants to give Leach all the credit, but Ruffin worked with so little on the defensive side and helped Tech become an actual productive defensive team. The sad thing is eventually he would have been gone and Tech would be back to winning 8 games a year. Everyone wants to give Leach all the credit, but Ruffin was key for Tech's success during those good years.

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Ruffin and our offensive

Ruffin and our offensive line. And once the line was gone we were back to 8 wins. Leach should have built off the momentum to recruit a top 20 class and instead he spent the summer trying to leave. It was pure luck that Crabtree and Herrell came to tech and luck that we happens to have that many great linemen come to tech

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"It was all Leach man!" The

"It was all Leach man!" The first two defensive coaches that we had, didn't care at all about the squad. Ruffin knew how to create a defense out of thin air. The other coaches that brought in Crabtree and most of the offensive line need to get credit for their efforts. Leach's assistants deserve a lot of the credit for his success.

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